Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @ helm:Hast Du weiter getestet?Mir fällt auf, daß Du nur 3 TVP bespielst.Prantocox bespielt 4 TVP (ein Dutzend).Vielleicht sollte man eine vierte TVP mit hundert Stücken ausstatten.Und Vielleicht auch schon Ende bei jedem Gesamtplus?
Larris Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 hm, ansich bin ich ja fan von solch kleinen "Systemchen" und ich möchte euch auch glauben, dass das ganz gut funktioniert, aber bei mir persönlich tut sich noch nicht viel. Hab jetzt nichts programmiert oder so, sondern spiele paar Stunden jetzt GPC Fun. Es hatte sich so angehört, dass das relativ fix gehen sollte mit den 100,- aber ehrlich gesagt krebse ich hier immer nur bei +/-0 hin und her. da soll echt noch was gehen?Ok, mein Test ist nicht sehr representativ aber es sollte ja gepostet werden, was man hierzu für Ergebnisse bekommt!
dazligth Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 (bearbeitet) Hallo Roulettis!Ich trau meinen Augen nicht.Sooo viele Beiträge zu meinem Thema.Ich habe inzwischen online richtig gut damit gewonnen. Ehrlich gesagt deutlich im vierstelligen Bereich. Ich bin mal gespannt, was Ihr nun ausklüngelt.Viele liebe Grüße Wiederspricht ja schon den Ergebnissen der Programmierungen.Zumindest in dieser Höhe!Also ein Plus von über 1000 Stücken. bearbeitet August 31, 2004 von dazligth
Larris Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 aber ich hätte da mal ne andere Frage. Warren bei den Tests, die ihr durchgeführt habt, IMMER mindestens EIN Plus? Ich mein, wenn man sich sicher sein könnte, dass man sich mehr oder weniger darauf verlassen kann, dass man mindestens einmal im Plus liegt.. ja dann, dann wäre das schön
Shotgun Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @Tottermann + Prantocox +all Ich habe da auch noch etwas getestet, auch mit jeder der 6 möglichen 1/3-Chancen einzeln progressiert.Irgendwie liegt mir inzwischen auch der alte Bahnhofsspruch auf den Lippe: Alter, hass ma ne Maak?Frage: Liegt eigentlich die Wahrscheinlichkeit für jede der 4 Progri-Sätze gleich? Also ist auf jeden Satz von einem Stück auch mit einem Satz in Höhe von 2, 4 oder 8 Stücken zu rechnen?? Irgendwie stehe ich da mal wieder auf dem Schlauch. Aber mit dem ganz großen Pulver wars das wohl mal wieder... Shotgun
David Cooper Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @LarrisMan beobachtet bei fast allen Systemen, dass sie sich mindestens einmal am Tage im Plus befinden. Aber es kommt leider auch vor, dass ein System von der ersten Sekunde an ins Minus abrutscht, und das zerrt dann die ganzen bisherigen Gewinne restlos wieder auf.
David Cooper Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @TottermannTAFNAC = The Admin Formerly kNown As Cooper. Chin hatte mir mal Tafkac vorgeschlagen, aber das gefiel mir nicht, daher die Anlehnung aber umänderung in "Tafnac."
helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @ helm:Hast Du weiter getestet?Mir fällt auf, daß Du nur 3 TVP bespielst.Prantocox bespielt 4 TVP (ein Dutzend).Vielleicht sollte man eine vierte TVP mit hundert Stücken ausstatten.Und Vielleicht auch schon Ende bei jedem Gesamtplus? hi, tottiwieso sind 3 tvs ein dtzbei mir sinds 1,5prantocox bespielt 1 dtz das sind 2 tvs,ooh sorry, jetzt fällt mir es auf, habe ich tvp geschrieben??????????????TVS WAREN GEMEINTHELM
helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 ALSO NOCHMALWAS ICH DA GESCHRIEBEN HABE bezieht sich auf transversale simple und nicht auf transversale pleinsorry, wenn ich für verwirrung gesorgt habehelm
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @ Helm:Na macht ja nix.Hast Du denn weiter getestet?Dein Tippfehler hat mich jetzt TVP testen lassen.Bin noch dabei.Teste: Warten bis 4 TVP erschienen sind.Dann bekommen jede der 4 einzeln je 250 Stücke Kapital und werden gespielt nach bekannten Regeln. Ende bzw. Neubeginn bei jedem Gesamtplus. Der Gewinn wird "eingesteckt" also nicht dem Kapital hinzuaddiert. Somit ist der Startsaldo auf allen 4 TVP immer 250 und wird wieder darauf zurückgesetzt sobald ein Gesamtüberschuß über alle 4 TVP vorhanden ist.Auf die 250 Stücke bin ich gekommen, weil ich im GPC-Fun teste. Dort bekommt man 1000 Stücke zum Start. -> einfach verteilt...Bis jetzt (natürlich nicht repräsentativ) läuft es sehr gut. Bin immer nach wenigen Coups im Plus.Aber sicher kommen auch Strecken, wo sich die 4 TVP lange nicht zeigen..Vielleicht sollte man nach vier Verlusten wieder die 4 letzten TVP nehmen...?Aber man kann doch nicht alles probieren, was einem gerade so einfällt.Dann müssten meine Erben nach meinem Tod noch einige Jahre testen...
helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 tottialso das mit den 3 tvs läuft ganz gut ( WARUM 4 NEHMEN )der knackpunkt hier wird sein die 3 richtigen zu nehmen,sollte man irgendwie mit favoriten-marsch kombinieren.helm
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Hier eine Beispielpartie auf 4 TVP:Es wurde die Permanenz beobachtet bis sich 4 verschiedene TVP (3 Zahlen) gezeigt haben.In diesem Fall waren das die TVP 1-3, 10-12, 16-18 und 25-27.Alle 4 TVP bekommen ein Kapital von je 250 Stücken.Sie werden ab sofort gespielt.Die Tabelle liest sich wie folgt:Spalte N ist die Permanenz.Die vier Farben sind die einzelne TVP.Stz. = EinsatzRe = Gewinn + EinsatzSld = GewinnIn der jeweils rechten Spalte der einzelnen Farben steht der jeweilige Gesamtsaldo der TVP.In der Spalte AE steht der absolute Gesamtsaldo (Summe aller Salden).In den Zellen R2, V2, Z2 und AD2 steht jeweils der höchste erreichte Saldo der jeweiligen TVP.In Zelle AE2 steht der höchste je erreichte Gesamtsaldo.Mit Vorlauf dauerte der Angriff etwa eine Rotation (37 Coups).Alle vier TVP hatten in dieser kurzen Zeit einmal ein Plus erreicht.Auffällig ist, daß ein oder zwei TVP über die gesamte Dauer besser laufen als die anderen.Vielleicht könnte man alle paar Coups eine TVP weniger bespielen und zwar jeweils die schlechteste.Hier die Tabelle:<table><tr style="vertical-align:top; 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helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 ich habs heut nicht mit den transversalen ( SIMPLE UND PLEIN )ALSO TOTTIMEIN GRUNDGEDANKE WARbei 3 tvs hab ich eine 50/50 chance, abzgl. zerobei deinen 4 tvp wie beim dutzend nur eine drittel chance richtig zu liegenblöd wirds nur wenn die 3 tvs eine zeit lang ausbleibenhelm
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Menschenskinder, diese Aufarbeitung und Erklärung (klopfselberaufdieschulter)......was hätte das wohl bei Ebay gebracht...?
helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 alldie letzten 6 coups beachten, welche 3 tvs sind am häufigsten erschienen in den letzten 6 coups.natürlich auch beachten was vorher war, gerade dann wenn zwischen verschieden tvs gleichstanderstes ergebnisnach 25 gesetzten coups +110helm
strolchiii Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @helm/@allein welchem OC gespielt?hab d.Gleiche on Plein mit SEHR gr.Erfolgim CC gespielt!ABER dann....geht nur kurz rein+raus!+real,in S-H Casino,mit Erfolg...."SIE" alle 5-8 Coups Handwechsel +Saalchef+Finanzer amTisch.....Klaus near H-H
Allister Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Hi Leute,bin eben erst in das Thema eingestiegen und muss nochmal ganz dumm fragen:Wenn ich z.B. bei 290 stehe, wird dann 1Stück gesetzt, weil der Zehner voll ist oder werden 10 Stücke gesetzt, weil der nächste Zehner 300 ist???Seht es mir nach, ich habe den ganzen Tag gearbeitet... CU ALLISTER
DanDocPeppy Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Hi!@Allister: Wenn man grad auf einem 10er steht, wird nur 1 Stück gesetzt!Was mir aufgefallen ist: Trifft man gleich mit dem 1. Satz wird dann ein 9-Stücke-Satz fällig, es wird also gleich richtig ernst. Vielleicht wäre es in diesem Fall besser trotzdem nur 2 oder 3 Stücke zu setzen.LGDDP
Shotgun Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @TottermannSchau dir noch mal den ersten Gewinnsatz in deiner Tabelle an, Spalte 9. Müßten das nicht +72 sein statt +18?Übrigens danke für die Beispielpartie, nun weiß ich wenigstens, warum meine Partie mit dem 23 maligen Ausbleiben doch im Plus landete, entgegen jeder Wahrscheinlichkeit. Manchmal ist man so doof und wenn der Fehler sich erst mal im Hirn festsetzt wird er hübsch bis zum Ende mit durchgeschleppt... Kein Wunder, daß nicht ich das Pulver erfunden habe Shotgun
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @ Shotgun:Na da interessiert sich jedenfalls wenigstens einer für meine Arbeit.Du hast Recht!Das ändert das Ergebnis deutlich zum Positiven!Nach der 1 in Zeile12 wäre schon Schluss mit +34Hätte man trotzdem genauso lange gespielt hätte man nicht mit +28 sondern mit +82 beendet.
helm Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Hi Leute,bin eben erst in das Thema eingestiegen und muss nochmal ganz dumm fragen:Wenn ich z.B. bei 290 stehe, wird dann 1Stück gesetzt, weil der Zehner voll ist oder werden 10 Stücke gesetzt, weil der nächste Zehner 300 ist???Seht es mir nach, ich habe den ganzen Tag gearbeitet... wie kommt man hier auf 10?????????ANFANG 100 stück, verlust 99 nächster satz 1 stück verlust 98 nächster satz wäre 2.bei gewinn 104 nächster satz 6die ersten beide sätze immer 1 stück, egal ob verlust oder gewinn dann kommt man auch nie auf 10oder anfang bei 99 anstatt 100helm
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 @ helm:Die Frage war schon OK. Sie war sicher auf "volle zehner" bezogen bzw. gemeint.Noch was, helm, es wäre schön, wenn Du gleichzeitig zu meinen TVP-Test Deine TVS-Test weiter führst und auch berichtest.Damit wir nicht durcheinander kommen solltest Du in Deinen Beiträgen immer darauf hinweisen, dass Deine Ergebnisse TVS-Ergebnisse sind.Oder dafür ein Thema eröffnen. dann wäre es noch übersichtlicher.Was meinst Du?
Tottermann Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Geschrieben August 31, 2004 Shotgun ist es aufgefallen - in meiner Beispielpermanenz war ein Fehler.Tatsächlich wäre das Spiel schon nach 9 Coup mit +34 beendet gewesen.Hier die berichtigte Version:<table><tr style="vertical-align:top; text-align:center; "><tr><td> </td></tr><tr><td><table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style="font-family:Arial,Arial; font-size:10pt; padding-left:2pt; padding-right:2pt; "> <style type = "text/css"> th {font-weight:normal} </style> <colgroup><col width=30 style="font-weight:bold; "><col width=27.9999993 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=55.9999986 ><col width=79.999998 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=55.9999986 ><col width=79.999998 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=55.9999986 ><col width=79.999998 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=26.999999325 ><col width=55.9999986 ><col width=79.999998 ><col width=79.999998 ></colgroup><tr style="background-color:#cacaca; 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text-align:center; ">214 </td><td style="background-color:#ffff99; text-align:center; ">8</td><td style="background-color:#ffff99; text-align:center; "> </td><td style="background-color:#ffff99; text-align:center; ">-8</td><td style="background-color:#ffff98; text-align:center; ">214 </td><td style="background-color:#ffcc99; text-align:center; ">9</td><td style="background-color:#ffcc99; text-align:center; "> </td><td style="background-color:#ffcc99; text-align:center; ">-9</td><td style="background-color:#ffcc98; text-align:center; ">252 </td><td style="text-align:center; ">1.034 </td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td> </td></tr></tr></table> Nachtrag: Die "1.082" in Zelle AE2 bitte einfach ignorieren. Habe in meiner Vorlage das Spiel weiter geführt bis zu diesem Saldo, daher die Zahl - also unwichtig.
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